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29 Jul 2006: Udit, Pingla

POM     Pingla, this is Padraig O'Malley. You may recall that you talked to me some time back. I'm writing a book on Mac Maharaj and Mo Shaik had put me in touch with you and I'm just finishing up the book and doing my footnotes and things like that and I was checking out my sources and doing all that kind of stuff. I couldn't find my notes of our conversation so would you mind just spending a minute going back on it with me?

PJ     OK.

POM     My memory of our conversation just offhand was that I had asked you whether you had worked at the NIS.

PJ     Not NIS, I did not work at NIS, I worked at NIA, the new one.

POM     Sorry, the new one yes. The NIA with Mo Shaik on upgrading or updating the Project Bible files.

PJ     Yes.

POM     As I recollect you said that, yes, you did. Now what was your own background? Had you worked before in - ?

PJ     Yes I worked from the eighties, I worked in the underground, I worked very closely with Mo Shaik in the eighties.

POM     Then after 1994?

PJ     Then in 1988 I had to leave the country and then I came back in October 1993 and then in January 1995 I joined the new NIA.

POM     And you worked with Mo there. You're not still with the NIA, I remember you did something interesting.

PJ     From the NIA I went to the NPA for two years.

POM     To the NPA? The new NPA?

PJ     Yes, National Prosecuting Authority, and then in December 2001 I joined the National Intelligence Co-ordinating Committee.

POM     Oh my! You've a whole life in intelligence.

PJ     Yes. Maybe not much longer. I'm just finishing up an MBA and I'll have to use it differently.

POM     That's what I was thinking of. You're finishing an MBA, right?

PJ     Yes.

POM     Where are you doing that?

PJ     With Henley(?).

POM     Yes, that's Recipe(?) is it?

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