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This resource is hosted by the Nelson Mandela Foundation, but was compiled and authored by Padraig O’Malley. It is the product of almost two decades of research and includes analyses, chronologies, historical documents, and interviews from the apartheid and post-apartheid eras.

29 Jul 2006: Udit, Pingla

POM. Pingla, this is Padraig O'Malley. You may recall that you talked to me some time back. I'm writing a book on Mac Maharaj and Mo Shaik had put me in touch with you and I'm just finishing up the book and doing my footnotes and things like that and I was checking out my sources and doing all that kind of stuff. I couldn't find my notes of our conversation so would you mind just spending a minute going back on it with me?

PJ. OK.

POM. My memory of our conversation just offhand was that I had asked you whether you had worked at the NIS.

PJ. Not NIS, I did not work at NIS, I worked at NIA, the new one.

POM. Sorry, the new one yes. The NIA with Mo Shaik on upgrading or updating the Project Bible files.

PJ. Yes.

POM. As I recollect you said that, yes, you did. Now what was your own background? Had you worked before in - ?

PJ. Yes I worked from the eighties, I worked in the underground, I worked very closely with Mo Shaik in the eighties.

POM. Then after 1994?

PJ. Then in 1988 I had to leave the country and then I came back in October 1993 and then in January 1995 I joined the new NIA.

POM. And you worked with Mo there. You're not still with the NIA, I remember you did something interesting.

PJ. From the NIA I went to the NPA for two years.

POM. To the NPA? The new NPA?

PJ. Yes, National Prosecuting Authority, and then in December 2001 I joined the National Intelligence Co-ordinating Committee.

POM. Oh my! You've a whole life in intelligence.

PJ. Yes. Maybe not much longer. I'm just finishing up an MBA and I'll have to use it differently.

POM. That's what I was thinking of. You're finishing an MBA, right?

PJ. Yes.

POM. Where are you doing that?

PJ. With Henley(?).

POM. Yes, that's Recipe(?) is it?

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